Trump's fake equivalence: his collusion vs. the Steele 'dossier'

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Trump's fake equivalence: his collusion vs. the Steele 'dossier'

Post by jeanV » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:21 pm

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Looks like Trump's lies are going to blow up in his face.

Sad!!!!!

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Don’t fall for Trump’s latest whataboutism

President Trump tweets it repeatedly: Yes, there was collusion with Russia — except the real colluders were Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party. (..) This inflammatory argument may play well with the president’s supporters (..) But the claim that Ms. Clinton’s 2016 opposition- research activities were on the same moral or legal plane with the Trump team’s direct interactions with Russians represents a preposterous effort to confuse and distract.

• Here is what the Trump team did: Senior campaign officials, including then-chairman Paul Manafort, Donald Trump Jr. and Jared Kushner, met in June 2016 with Natalia Veselnitskaya, a Kremlin-connected lawyer. They were told the lawyer could give them “very high level and sensitive information” on Ms. Clinton, as “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

• Here is what the Clinton campaign did: It employed a U.S. law firm that hired a U.S. research outfit that brought in Christopher Steele, a British ex-spy, to gather information on Mr. Trump from his network of sources. That network included Russians.

For all of Mr. Trump’s efforts to muddy the waters, the two cases are decidedly different.
# There is no evidence of (..) connections between Ms. Clinton’s senior staff and Russians
- When the information he was gathering seemed alarming, Mr. Steele informed the FBI
# When the Russian government offered dirt on Mr. Trump’s opponent, his campaign didn’t alert authorities about this sketchy behavior. It eagerly took the meeting.

Mr. Trump’s whataboutism obscures the fundamental difference between engaging in opposition research that includes contacting foreign sources and lapping up information peddled by a foreign government. Mr. Steele, a well-regarded ex-spy, was acting as a compensated researcher with a specialty in Russia, not as a Kremlin cutout. He worked his network to deliver information to his client.

By contrast, Mr. Trump’s team opened itself to legal exposure when it took the unsolicited meeting with Ms. Veselnitskaya. It is illegal for foreign governments to contribute — in a broad sense of the word — to U.S. political campaigns. (..)

One of Mr. Trump’s go-to defenses is insisting that others have done the things he is accused of, only worse. No matter how many times he tweets about Ms. Clinton’s supposed collusion, that doesn’t make it true, nor does it diminish legitimate concerns about his own campaign’s behavior. And that is even assuming there is nothing more to learn.
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Re: Trump's fake equivalence: his collusion vs. the Steele 'dossier'

Post by WilyB » Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:02 am

And who exactly provided a US entry visa for Ms. Veselnitskaya? Whom did she met with before and after that 15 minutes nothing burger meeting at Trump Tower? :D
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Re: Trump's fake equivalence: his collusion vs. the Steele 'dossier'

Post by WilyB » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:30 am

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Let me help you.

Is it reasonable to assume that all of these incestuous relationships are coincidental? Ian Fleming, a naval intelligence officer and the creator of James Bond, contemplated the problem of coincidental relationships in intelligence operations and came up with the answer in his maxim:

”Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it’s enemy action.”

Case closed, lock them up!
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Re: Trump's fake equivalence: his collusion vs. the Steele 'dossier'

Post by Mikgof » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:53 am

Is this still a debate? I long thought that Trump was too stupid to be even a useful fool for Russia. The surrender summit at Helsinki proved once and for all that I was so incredibly wrong. Hell, but I hate to be wrong, but even I had to concede that Trump is obviously in thrall to Putin. He's guilty beyond any shadow of doubt.

Damnit. I'm a bleeding heart liberal. If I say that a window licker should be given some slack, then he ought to be given some, but it's painfully obvious that Trump has more than used up that slack.
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Re: Trump's fake equivalence: his collusion vs. the Steele 'dossier'

Post by LeJizzOfMatoub » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:09 pm

jeanV wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:21 pm


• Here is what the Clinton campaign did: It employed a U.S. law firm that hired a U.S. research outfit that brought in Christopher Steele, a British ex-spy, to gather information on Mr. Trump from his network of sources. That network included Russians.

Clinton paid mad money to intermediate companies who then paid russian gangsters for a silly golden shower story, Trump just sent Junior to pound the sweet butt of a fucking russian bitch ok? Guess who won the elections? The ugly gullible bitch or the alpha males? You can't cancel the election, you need a firm reality-check.
jeanV wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:21 pm
# There is no evidence of (..) connections between Ms. Clinton’s senior staff and Russians
You wish!

FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama administration approved controversial nuclear deal with Moscow
They also obtained an eyewitness account — backed by documents — indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill.
http://thehill.com/policy/national-secu ... nistration
jeanV wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:21 pm
# When the Russian government offered dirt on Mr. Trump’s opponent, his campaign didn’t alert authorities about this sketchy behavior. It eagerly took the meeting.
Junior eagerly took her athletic lawyer's butthole, yes, so fuckin what? You fools can't catch the God-Emperor.

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Re: Trump's fake equivalence: his collusion vs. the Steele 'dossier'

Post by WilyB » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:52 pm

# There is no evidence of (..) connections between Ms. Clinton’s senior staff and Russians
:D :D :D

Thanks, I missed that one. Let's replace Ukraine by Russia and google "Alexandra Chalupa".

It is pretty obvious that Chapula wrote the proto-dossier later attributed to Steele (as Chapula was way to obviously DNC-Clinton). Chances are that Steele, Cambridge educated and shit, would never produce such a shitty dossier in Burkinabé-English!

https://apelbaum.wordpress.com/2018/03/ ... deception/

Incredible work, a bit long but well worth it.
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Re: Trump's fake equivalence: his collusion vs. the Steele 'dossier'

Post by jeanV » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:58 pm

WilyB wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:30 am
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Is it reasonable to assume this collage of random relationships means anything?

No?

Thought not.

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WilyB wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:30 am
Ian Fleming, a naval intelligence officer and the creator of James Bond, contemplated the problem of coincidental relationships in intelligence operations and came up with the answer in his maxim:
”One meeting with Russian FSB officials is happenstance.
Twice and many times over might be coincidence.
After the Helsinki Surrender Summit, it’s open treason.”

Case closed, lock him up!

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Re: Trump's fake equivalence: his collusion vs. the Steele 'dossier'

Post by WilyB » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:32 pm

Is it reasonable to assume this collage of random relationships means anything?
Nothing random about families, buddies or colleagues. Think about your wives, kids, best friends, best salesperson, the postman that always ring twice, etc.

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