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China's inexorable rise is helped by Trump's retreat

Post by jeanV » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:43 pm

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“Trump is America’s Gorbachev,” Yan Xuetong, the dean of Tsinghua University’s Institute of Modern International Relations, said (..) “the leader who led an empire to collapse”
China's inexorable rise is helped by Trump's retreat

(..) French President Emmanuel Macron's trip to China this week (..) Macron used the occasion to extend a hand to Beijing: “What I came to tell you is that Europe is back,” he said, signaling a contrast between the “America First” nationalism of President Trump and the openness of China's other interlocutors in the West. In turn, Chinese President Xi Jinping stressed his desire to “protect multilateralism” (..)

But it's being superseded by another, more confident nationalist narrative, one based in reasserting China's historical primacy. China's gross domestic product is projected to surpass that of the United States by the end of the next decade. (..)

“With China’s economic footprint across the Asia-Pacific region already large, countries in the region are now increasingly concluding that the U.S. is consigning itself to growing economic irrelevance in Asia,” (..)

“I think Trump is America’s Gorbachev,” Yan Xuetong, the dean of Tsinghua University’s Institute of Modern International Relations, said to Osnos. That's not a kind reference, as the New Yorker journalist explained: “In China, Mikhail Gorbachev is known as the leader who led an empire to collapse.”

But there are still fears about what a budding Chinese empire means for the world, no matter when it fully arrives. Under Xi, hopes for Chinese political liberalization have vanished; (..) for now, the Communist Party embraces hard power and coercion, and this could well be what replaces the fading liberal hegemony of the United States on the global stage. It will not lead to a grand vision of world order. Instead, before us looms a void.”
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Re: China's inexorable rise is helped by Trump's retreat

Post by Mikgof » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:07 pm

"Trump is America’s Gorbachev,” Yan Xuetong, the dean of Tsinghua University’s Institute of Modern International Relations, said (..) “the leader who led an empire to collapse”

Be fair. As your graphic shows, it would have happened anyway due to simple economics. All that Trump has done has speeded up the inevitable by several decades. It could be to America's long-term advantage. When the British Empire collapsed it took us several generations to accept the fact and to live in the real world. Presumably, Americans will react the same way. Trump has just knocked one generation off the acceptance process.
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Re: China's inexorable rise is helped by Trump's retreat

Post by jeanV » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:16 pm

Mikgof wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:07 pm
"Trump is America’s Gorbachev,” Yan Xuetong, the dean of Tsinghua University’s Institute of Modern International Relations, said (..) “the leader who led an empire to collapse”
Be fair. As your graphic shows, it would have happened anyway due to simple economics.
If I was really, 100% fair, I wouldn't have posted the quote.

Demeaning to Gorbachev.


Mistaken for many years, to be sure.

But when push came to shove, he made the choice to avoid conflict and give liberty the upper hand.

Not within Trump's intellectual or moral compass. If he's got any.


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Re: China's inexorable rise is helped by Trump's retreat

Post by LeJizzOfMatoub » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:53 am

Well of course the globalist medias found a new way to piss on Trump , you should translate a decent conservative french media you dishonest cunt:


Macron won't "give lessons" to China about human rights
http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/le-sca ... -homme.php


He's basically sucking the cock of a ruthless dictatorship in the hope to get a few contracts, but France is in such a bad shape that we can't really profit from a deal with such an isolationist country. They're buying our technologies, our estate, our lands, it won't come back it's theirs now.

Trump is resisting, Europe is collaborating. Who allowed these motherfuckers to trade with democracies? China inexorable rise started long before Trump.


Trump Derangement Syndrome until the point where you became a collabo. Sad VichyV, VERY SAD!
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Re: China's inexorable rise is helped by Trump's retreat

Post by jeanV » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:39 am

LeJizzOfMatoub wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:53 am
Macron (is) basically sucking the cock of a ruthless dictatorship in the hope to get a few contracts, but France is in such a bad shape that we can't really profit from a deal with such an isolationist country.
Your problem far more than mine, isn't it, matoub-not-V?

Sad for you, very sad.

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Re: China's inexorable rise is helped by Trump's retreat

Post by LeJizzOfMatoub » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:41 am

Well if China wants to build some kind of USSR, they probably won't annex France... But you might end up in the same labor camp that Nappy.
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Re: China's inexorable rise is helped by Trump's retreat

Post by Mikgof » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:01 am

"Well of course the globalist medias found a new way to piss on Trump"


Not at all. All that they do is report verbatim what Trump says and tweets. No need to gild the lily.
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Re: China's inexorable rise is helped by Trump's retreat

Post by LeJizzOfMatoub » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:16 am

You guys think there will be an ecological revolution and fair trade with China but dealing with an isolationist dictatorship will only leads to ruin, millions of cheap and possibly toxic goods and migrant workers destroying your economies, delivered by good old diesel-powered trucks through that fucking silk road.
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Re: China's inexorable rise is helped by Trump's retreat

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LeJizzOfMatoub wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:16 am
... with China but dealing with an isolationist dictatorship will only leads to ruin,

"If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends.

You talk to your enemies."


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Re: China's inexorable rise is helped by Trump's retreat

Post by LeJizzOfMatoub » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:45 am

Trump talks a lot with China, he actually has the best talks with China, not shying away from being the initiator of friendly moments or brutal truths. Ivanka's daughter Arabella sang for their president and he had TWO burgers and TWO scoops at the White House, and you know what he told The Don? Obama's daughters couldn't even say Hello and Welcome correctly. Sad!

It's the year of the dog in China, and Trump is born on the year of the dog of fire so he appears to the Chinese like some kind of mischievous and good-hearted Western divinity

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Re: China's inexorable rise is helped by Trump's retreat

Post by jeanV » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:11 pm

LeJizzOfMatoub wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:45 am
It's the year of the dog in China, and Trump is born on the year of the dog of fire so he appears to the Chinese like some kind of mischievous and good-hearted Western divinity
"Trump .. appears to the Chinese like some kind of mischievous and good-hearted Western divinity"?

Really?

Just last Sunday, a pastor at a 100% Chinese church mentioned Trump to make people laugh.

(I know, I was the only non Chinese there)


Mentioning Trump is done just to make the Chinese laugh.

Some kind of mischievous and good-hearted Western divinity indeed.

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Re: China's inexorable rise is helped by Trump's retreat

Post by LeJizzOfMatoub » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:18 pm

jeanV wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:11 pm


"Trump .. appears to the Chinese like some kind of mischievous and good-hearted Western divinity"?

Really?

Just last Sunday, a pastor at a 100% Chinese church mentioned Trump to make people laugh.

(I know, I was the only non Chinese there)


Mentioning Trump is done just to make the Chinese laugh.

Some kind of mischievous and good-hearted Western divinity indeed.

:lol:
Church is a christian place right? Do they have "mischievous and goodhearted god(s)" in the christian theology? I don't think so. It's nice to know what minorities think too, but it's kinda off-topic. And you think you know China very well because 75% of Singapore people are ethnic chinese but it's two different cultures

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Re: China's inexorable rise is helped by Trump's retreat

Post by jeanV » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:32 am

LeJizzOfMatoub wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:18 pm
you know China very well because 75% of Singapore people are ethnic chinese but it's two different cultures

So, you know the Chinese culture better than I do, uh?

Riiiiiiiiight....

:lol:


And even if you did, in what would it change the fact the Chinese treat Trump as a laughing stock?

And not as a benevolent semi god?

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Re: China's inexorable rise is helped by Trump's retreat

Post by LeJizzOfMatoub » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:08 am

jeanV wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:32 am
LeJizzOfMatoub wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:18 pm
you know China very well because 75% of Singapore people are ethnic chinese but it's two different cultures

So, you know the Chinese culture better than I do, uh?

Riiiiiiiiight....

:lol:


And even if you did, in what would it change the fact the Chinese treat Trump as a laughing stock?

And not as a benevolent semi god?

:twisted:
Well you mentioned a church, not even a temple, as the place where one could take the pulse of China about Trump.
It doesn't sound very serious :ugeek: Even a college student would see you as a fraud. Was it a catholic church?
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Re: China's inexorable rise is helped by Trump's retreat

Post by jeanV » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:08 am

LeJizzOfMatoub wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:08 am
Even a college student would see you as a fraud.
From someone who just got soundly and roundly debunked on his fake claim:
LeJizzOfMatoub wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:45 am
Trump ... appears to the Chinese like some kind of mischievous and good-hearted Western divinity

it's pretty daring, isn't it?

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Re: China's inexorable rise is helped by Trump's retreat

Post by LeJizzOfMatoub » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:43 am

jeanV wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:08 am
LeJizzOfMatoub wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:08 am
Even a college student would see you as a fraud.
From someone who just got soundly and roundly debunked on his fake claim:
LeJizzOfMatoub wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:45 am
Trump ... appears to the Chinese like some kind of mischievous and good-hearted Western divinity

it's pretty daring, isn't it?

:lol:
Not really, what were you doing in a church? Some FEMEN shit?
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Re: China's inexorable rise is helped by Trump's retreat

Post by jeanV » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:20 pm

LeJizzOfMatoub wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:43 am
what were you doing in a church?

Business leaders and politicians need to hobnob with the huddled masses.


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