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Russia is the UK's enemy.

Post by Mikgof » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:24 am

At least Britain and Germany recognise Russia as an adversary and that if Putin starts praising May and Merkel it won't wash. I fully expect Trump to be dragged out to condemn Britain for warmongering any day now if he hasn't already tweeted it that is. One thing that I can confidently predict is that Trump won't condemn Russia.

Russia is dangerously close to becoming Britain's outright enemy after the collapse of an ex-Kremlin spy



Relations between the UK and Russia are at a serious low, and the collapse of a former Russian spy in south England has only made things worse.
Three experts told Business Insider that Russia is dangerously close to becoming Britain's outright enemy.
Just like during the Cold War, confrontation is becoming the normal state of affairs between the UK and Russia.


Russia is dangerously close to becoming Britain's outright enemy, experts have warned after former Kremlin spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter were rendered critically ill by a mystery substance on UK soil.

Business Insider has spoken to three Russia experts, who argued that the Skripal case could not have come at a worse time, with relations between the two countries already at a serious low over Kremlin attempts to meddle in western democracies.

Tensions between the UK and Russia spilt over when Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson met his counterpart Sergey Lavrov in Moscow two months ago. It descended into an extraordinary diplomatic spat, in which the pair jousted over whether Russia interfered in Brexit and Johnson said: "It’s your reputation I worry about."

Johnson doubled down on Tuesday when answering questions from British MPs about Skripal. He called Russia a "malign" force and said it would not go "unsanctioned or unpunished" if it was behind the collapse of the former spy.

Russia has vehemently denied any involvement in Skripal's sudden illness, and the embassy in London responded to Johnson's remarks by complaining that "the script of yet another anti-Russian campaign has been already written."

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov (R) and British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson attend a news conference following their talks in Moscow, Russia December 22, 2017. REUTERS/Maxim Shemetov Boris Johnson and Sergey Lavrov. Thomson Reuters

Professor Anthony Glees, the director of the Centre for Security and Intelligence Studies at the University of Buckingham, said if evidence emerges that Skripal was a state-sponsored hit job, Russia would swiftly go from "an adversary to an enemy" of Britain.

Jonathan Eyal, international director at think-tank the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), added that relations between the two countries will "nosedive in a very serious way," having never really recovered from the death of Alexander Litvinenko, the former KGB spy who was poisoned in a luxury London hotel in 2006.

Both Glees and Eyal said the identity of the mystery substance Skripal was exposed to will be key to understanding the origins of the incident. If it turns out to be a radioactive chemical like polonium, then it could indicate some sort of Kremlin involvement, they said. Glees pointed out that it would require a "whole panoply of state skills," to transport and weaponise such a substance.


The Sun reported on Tuesday that investigators are working on the possibility that Skripal was poisoned with a "hybrid version" of the heavy metal poison Thallium. Commonly found in rat poisons and insecticides, detectives originally thought it was this substance that Litvinenko was contaminated with.

"If this something so obvious as a big poisoning, it is designed to send a message," added Chris Phillips, the former head of Britain's National Counter Terrorism Security Office, on a potential Vladimir Putin motive. "There’s something very odd about this and it stinks of an overt hit, but we mustn't get ahead of the evidence."

RUSI's Eyal said a hit job would prompt a "very very serious response from London." Theresa May is "not going to bomb the Kremlin," he admitted but said the cumulative effect of European countries leveling sanctions on Russia could be powerful.

"These sanctions can be dismissed as limp-wristed, but they do actually have an impact. They hurt Russia's integration and Russia's economy," he said. "The sense that Russia is a fundamental threat to European democracy would be strengthened."


Another option posited by Johnson was not sending a British delegation to the football World Cup in Russia this summer. He stopped short of saying that England shouldn't play in the tournament, but Shadow Foreign Secretary Emily Thornberry told Sky News it "should be thought about quite carefully."

Eyal said sports boycotts are "dicey," rarely successful, and can even be ignored by the athletes competing for the country calling for the boycott. This happened at the Moscow Olympics in 1980, when British stars including Lord Coe defied former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's campaign to stop athletes competing in the games.

But what Johnson's remarks do show is Britain returning to Cold War tactics and rhetoric. And just like then, confrontation is becoming the normal state of affairs between the UK and Russia.
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Post by PistolPierre » Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:32 am

Paul Joey Watson will collaborate with Putin but the Chav Resistance will save Brits in the end.

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Post by jeanV » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:48 am

Mikgof wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:24 am
One thing that I can confidently predict is that Trump won't condemn Russia.
Duh!

And I can confidently predict water at 20ºC is liquid.

You're not taking much chances as a soothsayer, are you?

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Post by LeJizzOfMatoub » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:48 am

STFU Jean, Trump is innocent!

House Intel finds 'no evidence of collusion' between Trump campaign and Russia

The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence said Monday it found “no evidence of collusion, coordination or conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russians,” as its Russia investigation starts to come to a close.

Rep. Mike Conaway, R-Texas, who has led the committee’s bipartisan investigation into Russian meddling and potential collusion with Trump campaign associates during the 2016 presidential election, announced Monday that the panel had completed a more than 150-page draft report, with its initial findings and recommendations.

“We have found no evidence of collusion, coordination, or conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russians,” the committee said in a statement Monday.

“We didn't find any evidence of collusion and I don't think [Mueller] will either,” Conaway said on “Special Report.”

The committee's investigation was based on four topics: Russian active measures against the 2016 U.S. election, the U.S. government's response to the attack, links between Russians and the Trump and Clinton campaigns, and purported leaks of classified information.

“We believe we've got the information necessary to answer those for the American people,” Conaway said.

The report also noted that based on its investigation which lasted more than a year, the committee disagreed with the intelligence community’s assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin had a “supposed preference” for then-candidate Donald Trump.

“We disagree with the Intelligence Community’s position that Putin favored Trump,” Conaway told Fox News. He said he had “no contact” with the White House during the probe.

The majority staff on the committee is expected to send the draft report to the minority staff, led by ranking member Adam Schiff, D-Calif., on Tuesday. Once the draft report is adopted by committee Democrats, the report will be submitted to the intelligence community for a declassification review, and following that process, it will be released to the public, officials said, though the timeline at this point is unknown.

“The report’s completion will signify the closure of one chapter in the Committee’s robust oversight of the threat posed by Moscow—which began well before the investigation and will continue thereafter,” Conaway said.

A source close to the committee leadership, though, told Fox News that the Democrats on the committee likely would disagree with the majority report.

The draft report included 40 other findings, including how Russians used social media to “sow discord” in 2015 and 2016, a “lackluster” pre-election response to Russian measures, how “anti-Trump research” made its way from Russian sources to the Clinton campaign, and “problematic contacts between senior Intelligence Community officials and the media.”

The report also included more than 25 recommendations for Congress and the executive branch to improve election security, U.S. government response to cyberattacks, campaign finance transparency, and counterintelligence practices related to political campaigns and unauthorized disclosures.

“Campaign finance disclosures ought to be a little more wholesome,” Conaway said on “Special Report” referring to the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee's filing of payments for “opposition research” leading to the anti-Trump dossier as legal matters.

The report's recommendations on handling leaks are serious, according to Conaway.

“Leaks of classified information are criminal," he said. “Leaks can get people killed."

A committee source told Fox News that the “investigation” portion of the probe was complete, meaning the committee would not interview any additional witnesses as part of its effort.

“I’m sure [committee Democrats] will disagree with bringing the interview phase to a close,” Conaway told Fox News. “I’m sure they will have specific folks they wanted to interview.”
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Post by jeanV » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:15 am

LeJizzOfMatoub wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:48 am
House Intel finds 'no evidence of collusion' between Trump campaign and Russia

The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence said Monday it found “no evidence of collusion, coordination or conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russians,” as its Russia investigation starts to come to a close.
The House Select Committee on Intelligence has been highjacked by Sam Nunes. Hence:

-1- his Nunes nothingburger, roundly trounced by a rebuttal from other Committee members

-2- this present report, the best attempt at not finding anything in a long time

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Post by ranavirus » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:19 am

if only OOW was not in N Korea
MI6 would use him to kill Putin's best mate as retaliation maybe leaving his head in a horse's stable cf Godfather

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Post by Mikgof » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:27 pm

jeanV wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:48 am
Mikgof wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:24 am
One thing that I can confidently predict is that Trump won't condemn Russia.
Duh!

And I can confidently predict water at 20ºC is liquid.

You're not taking much chances as a soothsayer, are you?

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You never know. Perhaps Trump will grow a pair and finally, sign into law those sanctions that the entire Congress voted for against Russia. And if he gets enough testosterone perhaps then he'll side with the West against Russia instead of being pro Russia.
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Post by Slappy » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:29 pm

Should The U.K. and France surrender their nuclear weapons before they become full blown 3rd world Islamic shit holes ?

that's the real question

or taken by force

either way im going with yep


we could join up with Russia they can rape Islamic Berlin again
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Post by jeanV » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:58 pm

Slappy wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:29 pm
Should The U.K. and France surrender their nuclear weapons before they become full blown 3rd world Islamic shit holes ? we could join up with Russia they can rape Islamic Berlin again
Russia is becoming islamized faster than either France or germany. Even after Merkel's folly.

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Which leaves you with an interesting question:

since islam isn't a factor, why do you prefer the Russian kleptocracy to western democracies?

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Post by Mikgof » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:29 pm

Slappy wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:29 pm
Should The U.K. and France surrender their nuclear weapons before they become full blown 3rd world Islamic shit holes ?

that's the real question

or taken by force

either way im going with yep


we could join up with Russia they can rape Islamic Berlin again
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As Jean pointed out if Islam is your problem why support Trump and through him Russia? Just because a dictatorial oligarch bullshits Trump, it doesn't follow that Russia is not an enemy of the West.

Russia interfered in British and other European elections. We took action through sanctions and racked up our cybersecurity, while Trump even after admitting Russian interference has still not done a single thing to ensure the sanctity of your elections.

I'm seriously believing that Jean is right when he says that Putin has something on Trump. Something pretty horrendous. Not child molestation. He openly supported a paedophile for a Senate seat and that didn't cost him a single vote. Murder? No. A country that is comfortable with regular massacres of school children, isn't going to worry too much about a murder or two. Eating pizza with a knife and fork might do it in America, but he is on film doing just that and it didn't cost him votes. So what has he done that is so horrible that even Americans would turn against him if Putin was to reveal all?
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Post by jeanV » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:37 pm

Mikgof wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:29 pm
I'm seriously believing that Jean is right when he says that Putin has something on Trump.
No, of course not, Russia has nothing on Trump.

And Russia has nothing to do with nerve agent killings in the UK.

And Vladimir Putin is a democrat. He never invaded Ukraine or stashed billions away.

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Post by Mikgof » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:19 am

I said that Trump would condemn Britain and he has just done so in a roundabout way. He has just fired Rex Tillerson who shortly before condemned Russia for using military grade nerve gasses on British soil to murder people. Trump can't let him get away with speaking the truth about Russia, especially when its actions amount to at the very least international terrorism or more likely an act of war.
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Post by jeanV » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:12 am

Mikgof wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:19 am
I said that Trump would condemn Britain and he has just done so in a roundabout way. He has just fired Rex Tillerson who shortly before condemned Russia for using military grade nerve gasses on British soil to murder people.
Trump cares more about Russia than about Britain, this much is clear.

And he won't get much contradiction from Pompeo who's an expert at licking Trump's ass.

As I was saying before Tillerson was sacked, it's Springtime for Sycophants

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Post by Mikgof » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:55 am

jeanV wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:12 am
Mikgof wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:19 am
I said that Trump would condemn Britain and he has just done so in a roundabout way. He has just fired Rex Tillerson who shortly before condemned Russia for using military grade nerve gasses on British soil to murder people.
Trump cares more about Russia than about Britain, this much is clear.

And he won't get much contradiction from Pompeo who's an expert at licking Trump's ass.

As I was saying before Tillerson was sacked, it's Springtime for Sycophants

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Actually, it's all to the good. The democracies will, out of sheer necessity, strengthen their ties, economically, diplomatically and militarily. We'll all be the stronger for it, while America becomes more closely aligned to Russia, China and similar to get whatever they think that will benefit them in that relationship.
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