Israel, Asia, Iran: Trump's Art of the Fail

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Israel, Asia, Iran: Trump's Art of the Fail

Post by jeanV » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:29 pm

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Friedman highlights how Trump gives away US bargaining chips fror free:

• Israel: the status of Jerusalem was a bargaining chip. Given away for free. Or at a cost ->
• the cost is it vindicates Iran's maximalism and throws Trump's darling Saudis under the bus
• China: giving up on the TPP kills any leverage the US had to force China open to US firms,
• sharply erodes the confidence of America's allies in Asia in the value of US commitments
• while idly using strong words (where's the fury in Korea?) demonetizes American threats

Squandering national assets solely for personal gain: to bolster the support of his base.

Which is a form of mild treason. That + Russian collusion -> Trump = Benedict Arnold.
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Trump, Israel and the Art of the Giveaway

Thomas L. Friedman Dec. 6, 2017

I’m contemplating writing a book on the first year of President Trump’s foreign policy, and I already know the name: “The Art of the Giveaway.”

In nearly 30 years of covering United States foreign policy, I’ve never seen a president give up so much to so many for so little, starting with China and Israel. In both the Middle Kingdom and in the Land of Israel, Christmas came early this year. The Chinese and the Jews are both whispering to their kids: “There really is a Santa Claus.”

And his name is Donald Trump.

Who can blame them? Let’s start with Israel, every Israeli government since its founding has craved United States recognition of Jerusalem as its capital. And every United States government has refrained from doing that, arguing that such a recognition should come only in the wake of an agreed final status peace accord between Israelis and Palestinians — until now.

Today, Trump just gave it away — for free. Such a deal! Why in the world would you just give this away for free and not even use it as a lever to advance the prospect of an Israeli-Palestinian deal?

Trump could have said two things to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. First, he could have said: “Bibi, you keep asking me to declare Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. O.K., I will do that. But I want a deal. Here’s what I want from you in return: You will declare an end to all Israeli settlement building in the West Bank, outside of the existing settlement block that everyone expects to be part of Israel in any two-state solution.”

Such a trade-off is needed. It would produce a real advance for United States interests and for the peace process. As Dennis Ross, the veteran American Middle East peace negotiator and author of “Doomed to Succeed: The U.S.-Israeli Relationship From Truman to Obama,” explained: “When you stop building outside the settlement blocs, you preserve, at a maximum, the possibility of a two-state outcome and, at a minimum, the ability for Israelis to separate from Palestinians. Keep up the building in densely populated Palestinian areas and separation becomes impossible.”

Trump also could have said, as the former United States ambassador to Israel Martin Indyk suggested, that he’d decided “to begin the process of moving the embassy to western Jerusalem, but at the same time was declaring his willingness to make a parallel announcement that he would establish an embassy to the state of Palestine in East Jerusalem” — as part of any final status agreement. That would at least have insulated us from looking like making a one-sided gesture will only complicate peacemaking and kept the door open to Palestinians.

In either case, Trump could then have boasted to Israelis and Palestinians that he got them each something that Barack Obama never did — something that advanced the peace process and United States credibility and did not embarrass our Arab allies. But Trump is a chump. And he is a chump because he is ignorant and thinks the world started the day he was elected, and so he is easily gamed.

Just ask the Chinese. Basically, his first day in office, Trump tore up the 12-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) free-trade deal — clearly without having read it or asked China for any trade concession in return. Trump simply threw out the window the single most valuable tool America had for shaping the geoeconomic future of the region our way and for pressuring China to open its markets to more United States goods.

Trump is now trying to negotiate trade openings with China alone — bilaterally — and getting basically nowhere. And yet he could have been negotiating with China as the head of a 12-nation TPP trading bloc that was based on United States values and interests and that controlled 40 percent of the global economy. Think of the leverage we lost.

In a column from Hong Kong last June a senior Hong Kong official told me: “When Trump did away with TPP, all your allies’ confidence in the U.S. collapsed.” After America stopped TPP, “everyone is now looking to China,” added Jonathan Koon-shum Choi, chairman of the Chinese General Chamber of Commerce, Hong Kong. “But China is very smart — just keeping its mouth shut.”

Just to remind: TPP was a free-trade agreement that the Obama team forged with Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam. It was not only the largest free-trade agreement in history, it was the best ever for United States workers, closing loopholes Nafta had left open. Some 80 percent of the goods from our 11 TPP partners were coming into the United States duty-free already, while our goods and services were still being hit with thousands of tariffs in their countries — which TPP eliminated.

As I also noted last June, the other people we disappointed by scrapping TPP, explained James McGregor, author of “One Billion Customers: Lessons From the Front Lines of Doing Business in China,” were China’s economic reformers: They were hoping that the emergence of TPP “would force China to reform its trade practices more along American lines and to open its markets. … We failed the reformers in China.”

Trump is susceptible to such giveaways, not only because he is ignorant, but because he does not see himself as the president of the United States. He sees himself as the president of his base. And because that’s the only support he has left, he feels the need to keep feeding his base by fulfilling crude, ill-conceived promises he threw out to them during the campaign. Today, again, he put another one of those promises ahead of United States national interest.
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Re: Israel, Asia, Iran: Trump's Art of the Fail

Post by Mikgof » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:04 pm

"Today, Trump just gave it away — for free. Such a deal! Why in the world would you just give this away for free and not even use it as a lever to advance the prospect of an Israeli-Palestinian deal?"

Even his book "The Art of the Deal" was ghostwritten. The boy just doesn't know how to negotiate and to make deals.

To be fair to Trump, the majority of Americans are no longer believers in the benefits of Capitalism and free trade; Trump was just feeding the beast by scrapping the TPP. If he hadn't stopped it there would have been protests, even riots until it was scrapped. So he was being fairly astute with that one.
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Re: Israel, Asia, Iran: Trump's Art of the Fail

Post by LeJizzOfMatoub » Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:02 am

jeanV wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:29 pm



Friedman highlights how Trump gives away US bargaining chips fror free:

• Israel: the status of Jerusalem was a bargaining chip. Given away for free. Or at a cost ->
• the cost is it vindicates Iran's maximalism and throws Trump's darling Saudis under the bus
• China: giving up on the TPP kills any leverage the US had to force China open to US firms,
• sharply erodes the confidence of America's allies in Asia in the value of US commitments
• while idly using strong words (where's the fury in Korea?) demonetizes American threats
It's just my totally retarded opinion as a poor idiot living in a town without skyscrapers, but Yemen could backfire badly against Iran.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/12/h ... 50627.html

I also think it's good to start shit against the muslim world after so much appeasement, you should wait to see what happen tomorrow in the Palestinian territories before starting to give us your precious analysis.

Trump has already made deals with China, can we take a break or are we supposed to suck their cock 24/7 to fit your great scenario?

Oh and North-Korea... i would be curious to know how you play chess games, do you win by head-butting the chessboard until it breaks?

Trump looks like a more subtle player, he's just moved his knights:

N. Korea accuses US of 'nuclear strike drill' after bomber flights
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/02/polit ... index.html
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Re: Israel, Asia, Iran: Trump's Art of the Fail

Post by jeanV » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:39 pm

LeJizzOfMatoub wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:02 am
It's just my totally retarded opinion as a poor idiot

Yes.


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Re: Israel, Asia, Iran: Trump's Art of the Fail

Post by LeJizzOfMatoub » Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:23 pm

You don't get 8-D chess because you don't get the chaos theory you fool!
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