Brexit: Britain is no longer a ‘tier one’ military power

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Brexit: Britain is no longer a ‘tier one’ military power

Post by jeanV » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:10 pm

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With Brexit, Britain looks soaring from height to new height.

Fear not, Telegraph readers: Trump is gonna give you a good deal.

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Britain is no longer a ‘tier one’ military power

Theresa May this week asked Britain’s defence secretary to justify the UK’s role as a “tier one” military power, causing dismay in the Ministry of Defence. Underlying the statement is a realisation that the UK can no longer economically compete with top powers, defence experts told Business Insider.

“It’s a reflection of our economic status – times are tough,” said Tim Ripley, a defence analyst, adding: “It’s all about money… if you don’t have money you can’t spend it.”

The Prime Minister questioned defence secretary Gavin Williamson on whether money for the military should be reallocated to areas like cyber, and if Britain needed to maintain a Navy, Army, Air Force and nuclear deterrent all at once. Ripley called it a retreat from “grand ambitions.”

“No matter how we dress it up, this new fangled cyber stuff is just an excuse for running away from funding hard power,” Ripley said. “If you don’t pony up the money and the hard power you don’t get a seat at the top table. No matter how flash your cyber warfare is, people take notice of ships, tanks and planes.”

There is a strong correlation between military power and economic status. The major powers including the US, China and Russia all demonstrate their strength through military posturing, and countries that don’t have enough resources for defence often pool with others.

Dr Jan Honig, a senior lecturer in war studies at King’s College London, said that shared defence can be disrupted in times of nationalism, and called it “highly ironic” that Brexit could mean the UK can longer fund its military.

“You can’t really do it by yourself even if you spent a lot more on defence which is not going to happen in this country with this measly economic growth and the uncertainty about international trade details,” Honig said.

The Prime Minister’s comments, which were first reported by the Financial Times, come in the context of her recent pledge of a fresh £20 billion for the National Health Service (NHS) and debate about where the money will come from.

Governments need to ensure that their policies have support from the people, and pouring money into the military is harder to sell then spending on the NHS and social welfare which are immediate issues, said Honig, adding that populations are also now more switched on to the horrors of war.

But Julian Lewis, Chair of the UK’s defence committee told Business Insider that he’s now concerned about whether May will be able to properly fund the military after the NHS pledge.

“I am not won over … by this jargon of calling it a ‘tier one’ military power… What I’m much more concerned about is whether Theresa May will be able to give defence the money it needs,” he said, citing a “whole” of over £4.9 billion in the defence budget.

May’s comments will not lead to definitive action to pair down the military, but are a clear sign of the direction of travel said Ripley.
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Re: Brexit: Britain is no longer a ‘tier one’ military power

Post by Mikgof » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:16 pm

“No matter how we dress it up, this new fangled cyber stuff is just an excuse for running away from funding hard power,” Ripley said. “If you don’t pony up the money and the hard power you don’t get a seat at the top table. No matter how flash your cyber warfare is, people take notice of ships, tanks and planes.”

Telegraph readers live in the past. They still seem to be unaware that Russia for a fraction of the cost of a prototype new weapon system has taken over American military and foreign policy. Who needs the biggest ships if for a few million spent on cyberwar you achieve your aims without a shot being fired? Cheaper and far more effective. Putin has achieved what the Soviet Union which spent up to a third of its GDP on arms failed to achieve and it cost him peanuts.

Cyberwarfare can destroy a nation's infrastructure or give you ownership of the leadership of a country. If Brexit means that we'll be concentrating on cyberwarfare, then that is to the good. Putin has proven that it works.
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Re: Brexit: Britain is no longer a ‘tier one’ military power

Post by ranavirus » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:16 pm

meanwhile france still aspiring to be tier deux

NATO exercise Rabbit chasers of france meet a unit of British Pay Corps

Rabbit captain : I see I was wrong to expect UK's commitment to at least match our own.
Capt Smith : Doesn't it?
[points to frech soldier ]
Smith s: You there, what is your profession?
Frog: I force feed birds.
smith: [points to another soldier] And you, frog, what is your profession?
mime artist
Smith : mime artist!.
[turns to a third 'soldier']
smith: You?
waiter
Smith : [turns back shouting] Pay Corps! What is YOUR profession?
Pay Corps: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
Smith : [turning to frog captain ] You see, old friend? I brought more soldiers than you did!

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Re: Brexit: Britain is no longer a ‘tier one’ military power

Post by ranavirus » Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:08 am

on the subject of French numbers in schools why can't some enfants count to neuf nine?
they have a huit 8 allergy

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Re: Brexit: Britain is no longer a ‘tier one’ military power

Post by Ami Bidasse » Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:14 am

Listen to me Angela:

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Re: Brexit: Britain is no longer a ‘tier one’ military power

Post by Soft Arrogance » Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:14 am

Britain is a joke. They want Europe but without Europe.

FUCK THEM!
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