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don't let this secret get out but
Summarizing:
We have assumed that the entire 3,500 gallons of jet fuel was confined to just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with perfect efficency, that no hot gases left this floor, that no heat escaped this floor by conduction and that the steel and concrete had an unlimited amount of time to absorb all the heat.
Then it is impossible that the jet fuel, by itself, raised the temperature of this floor more than 257° C (495° F).
Now this temperature is nowhere near high enough to even begin explaining the World Trade Center Tower collapse.
It is not even close to the first critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F) where steel loses about half its strength and it is nowhere near the quotes of 1500° C that we constantly read about in our lying media.
don't take my word for it. Contact any place that makes aviation jet fuel and check with a steel company that makes girders
Shall i hand you the phone?
When my house burned down due to an electrical problem, temperatures reached well above the melting point of gold. That was without any jet fuel from a crashing jetliner accelerating the fire. It was hot enough to make my fire safe fail. Yet the flames were not very visible from the street except from one direction. There was, however, a lot of smoke. Plastic, by the way, releases a lot of black and grey smoke when it burns. Firesafes have different grading of capability gold melts at 1850 degree's F. You do need a forge or furnace to achieve this temp and a crucible to melt it in usualy made of clay and sillica, otherwise it wouldn't melt
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a selfish, greedy, dishonest, devious lecherous, sadistic ultra-right-wing Conservative back bencher.
Alan beresford B'Stard M P
Obnoxious as always!
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Then it is impossible that the jet fuel, by itself, raised the temperature of this floor more than 257° C (495° F).
Fooly weakums ,that is the ignition temperature of the liquid fuel not the temperature it produces when it burns which will vary according to the burning conditions, e.g. oxygen. My oven goes up to 500°F you moron! A wax candle flame can reach 1400°C. Take that phone and stick it where the sun dont shine.  Answer: Jet fuel is refined kerosene. Airliners use "Jet A" kerosene and the military uses "JP 4" kerosene. Regardless, neither grade burns hot, or it would melt the inside of a jet engine. Jet A is the same stuff burned in conventional steel wall heaters. In an open-air office fire such as that at WTC (called a "dirty burn") kerosene or any hydrocarbon will burn at around 500-700degrees Fahrenheit. The FEMA report on 911 said that the jet fuel burned off after a few minutes and the fires from the office furniture and carpets were about 560 degrees. The special structural steel of the WTC has over 98% of its strength at those temperatures, and the WTC was built to hold 5 times its load. In a "controlled burn" (where oxygen and fuel are regulated in an optimal mix), jet fuel will reach a maximum temperature of 1800 degrees Fahrenheit, which is still not anywhere near the temperature required to weaken the steel girders of a building to the point that the entire building plummeted to the ground. Yet molten steel was reported below the towers, suggesting that a very powerful "fuel" was used, set to burn or explode BELOW the building, not at its top. Thermite, an HTA (high-temperature accelerant) typically used in military operations, would have been able to liquefy the steel. Thermite can reach a temperature of 4500 dF in 2 seconds, and steel begins to melt at 2750 dF. Would you like a phone?
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a selfish, greedy, dishonest, devious lecherous, sadistic ultra-right-wing Conservative back bencher.
Alan beresford B'Stard M P
Obnoxious as always!
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Re: OMG Good ol´Roger is a THRUTHER!!!!
By: dude
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On August 16, 2010, 10:27:01 pm
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don't let this secret get out but
Summarizing:
We have assumed that the entire 3,500 gallons of jet fuel was confined to just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with perfect efficency, that no hot gases left this floor, that no heat escaped this floor by conduction and that the steel and concrete had an unlimited amount of time to absorb all the heat.
Then it is impossible that the jet fuel, by itself, raised the temperature of this floor more than 257° C (495° F).
Now this temperature is nowhere near high enough to even begin explaining the World Trade Center Tower collapse.
It is not even close to the first critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F) where steel loses about half its strength and it is nowhere near the quotes of 1500° C that we constantly read about in our lying media.
don't take my word for it. Contact any place that makes aviation jet fuel and check with a steel company that makes girders
Shall i hand you the phone?
When my house burned down due to an electrical problem, temperatures reached well above the melting point of gold. That was without any jet fuel from a crashing jetliner accelerating the fire. It was hot enough to make my fire safe fail. Yet the flames were not very visible from the street except from one direction. There was, however, a lot of smoke. Plastic, by the way, releases a lot of black and grey smoke when it burns. Firesafes have different grading of capability gold melts at 1850 degree's F. You do need a forge or furnace to achieve this temp and a crucible to melt it in usualy made of clay and sillica, otherwise it wouldn't melt It turns out that buildings can reach higher temps than that too, with my home fire and the WTC fires as evidence.
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No response to my facts, alan? Googleing away? Here's a bargain for you. Fuel can only reach 495 F? OK. My oven can go to 500 F. I'll heat my oven up all the way and then put my hand in it. You fill an old soup can with gasoline, ignite it and then slowly pour it out.  you bet I'll google for facts. Why would anyone conduct an arguement without them?
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a selfish, greedy, dishonest, devious lecherous, sadistic ultra-right-wing Conservative back bencher.
Alan beresford B'Stard M P
Obnoxious as always!
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don't let this secret get out but
Summarizing:
We have assumed that the entire 3,500 gallons of jet fuel was confined to just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with perfect efficency, that no hot gases left this floor, that no heat escaped this floor by conduction and that the steel and concrete had an unlimited amount of time to absorb all the heat.
Then it is impossible that the jet fuel, by itself, raised the temperature of this floor more than 257° C (495° F).
Now this temperature is nowhere near high enough to even begin explaining the World Trade Center Tower collapse.
It is not even close to the first critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F) where steel loses about half its strength and it is nowhere near the quotes of 1500° C that we constantly read about in our lying media.
don't take my word for it. Contact any place that makes aviation jet fuel and check with a steel company that makes girders
Shall i hand you the phone?
When my house burned down due to an electrical problem, temperatures reached well above the melting point of gold. That was without any jet fuel from a crashing jetliner accelerating the fire. It was hot enough to make my fire safe fail. Yet the flames were not very visible from the street except from one direction. There was, however, a lot of smoke. Plastic, by the way, releases a lot of black and grey smoke when it burns. Firesafes have different grading of capability gold melts at 1850 degree's F. You do need a forge or furnace to achieve this temp and a crucible to melt it in usualy made of clay and sillica, otherwise it wouldn't melt It turns out that buildings can reach higher temps than that too, with my home fire and the WTC fires as evidence. Thermite can reach a temperature of 4500 dF in 2 seconds, and steel begins to melt at 2750 dF. Jet fuel doesn't reach anywhere near it
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a selfish, greedy, dishonest, devious lecherous, sadistic ultra-right-wing Conservative back bencher.
Alan beresford B'Stard M P
Obnoxious as always!
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Re: OMG Good ol´Roger is a THRUTHER!!!!
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By: dude
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On August 16, 2010, 10:41:26 pm
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Thermite can reach a temperature of 4500 dF in 2 seconds, and steel begins to melt at 2750 dF.
Jet fuel doesn't reach anywhere near it
Gather enough combustible material together, like in a house or the WTC, and temperatures will get hot enough quickly to make some metals melt (like gold in my case), to make other metals lose strength (like the steel in the WTC), and to make fire safes explode, regardless of whether jet fuel is involved. The jet fuel just got the fire started at the WTC, then the office materials inside did the rest. "The power and fury of a typical house fire is immensely underestimated by the average person. The National Fire Protection Association has conducted accurate tests involving the growth and temperatures of fires. Did you know that just 3 minutes and 3 seconds after the start of an average living room fire involving a couch, that the temperature 3 feet above the floor within the room is over 500 F? Just 38 seconds later, the temperature in the room is 1,400 F. " quote from http://www.askthebuilder.com/201_Fire_and_Burglar_Safes_-_A_Hot_Item_.shtml
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Re: OMG Good ol´Roger is a THRUTHER!!!!
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By: eachuiskie
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On August 16, 2010, 10:49:41 pm
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Dont fuck with me. You are wrong. That's why it took you so long to google up some irrelevant bullshit. Fuel can release around 11 kcal per gram. It's the rapid release energy in the oxygenated fuel that heats the air and surroundings to very high temperatures. A god damn house fire can reach 1400 F. Not only do you have no technical knowledge but you also lack common sense. Keep it up and you can join mouse and atm as dumb asses of the year. BTW jet engine combustion chamber temperatures can easily be 2000 C, so they require a lot of special cooling techniques.
So, will you take my challenge?
I win.
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Thermite can reach a temperature of 4500 dF in 2 seconds, and steel begins to melt at 2750 dF.
Jet fuel doesn't reach anywhere near it
Gather enough combustible material together, like in a house or the WTC, and temperatures will get hot enough quickly to make some metals melt (like gold in my case), to make other metals lose strength (like the steel in the WTC), and to make fire safes explode, regardless of whether jet fuel is involved. The jet fuel just got the fire started at the WTC, then the office materials inside did the rest. "The power and fury of a typical house fire is immensely underestimated by the average person. The National Fire Protection Association has conducted accurate tests involving the growth and temperatures of fires. Did you know that just 3 minutes and 3 seconds after the start of an average living room fire involving a couch, that the temperature 3 feet above the floor within the room is over 500 F? Just 38 seconds later, the temperature in the room is 1,400 F. " quote from http://www.askthebuilder.com/201_Fire_and_Burglar_Safes_-_A_Hot_Item_.shtmlSorry, Dude, it won't. Not according to those that forge steel girders. The national fire protection Association are hardly qualified for this
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a selfish, greedy, dishonest, devious lecherous, sadistic ultra-right-wing Conservative back bencher.
Alan beresford B'Stard M P
Obnoxious as always!
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Re: OMG Good ol´Roger is a THRUTHER!!!!
By: dude
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On August 17, 2010, 05:32:32 am
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Thermite can reach a temperature of 4500 dF in 2 seconds, and steel begins to melt at 2750 dF.
Jet fuel doesn't reach anywhere near it
Gather enough combustible material together, like in a house or the WTC, and temperatures will get hot enough quickly to make some metals melt (like gold in my case), to make other metals lose strength (like the steel in the WTC), and to make fire safes explode, regardless of whether jet fuel is involved. The jet fuel just got the fire started at the WTC, then the office materials inside did the rest. "The power and fury of a typical house fire is immensely underestimated by the average person. The National Fire Protection Association has conducted accurate tests involving the growth and temperatures of fires. Did you know that just 3 minutes and 3 seconds after the start of an average living room fire involving a couch, that the temperature 3 feet above the floor within the room is over 500 F? Just 38 seconds later, the temperature in the room is 1,400 F. " quote from http://www.askthebuilder.com/201_Fire_and_Burglar_Safes_-_A_Hot_Item_.shtmlSorry, Dude, it won't. Not according to those that forge steel girders. The national fire protection Association are hardly qualified for this So the National Fire Association has no idea what temperatures a house reaches when it is on fire? LOL. Did I mention that I had a house fire recently and that my fire safe EXPLODED and my gold MELTED. By your own information, steel loses half it's strength at 1100* F. Considering that my GOLD MELTED and my FIRE SAFE EXPLODED in my house fire, a fire involving several stories can easily reach the point where steel loses its strength according to you.
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Thermite can reach a temperature of 4500 dF in 2 seconds, and steel begins to melt at 2750 dF.
Jet fuel doesn't reach anywhere near it
Gather enough combustible material together, like in a house or the WTC, and temperatures will get hot enough quickly to make some metals melt (like gold in my case), to make other metals lose strength (like the steel in the WTC), and to make fire safes explode, regardless of whether jet fuel is involved. The jet fuel just got the fire started at the WTC, then the office materials inside did the rest. "The power and fury of a typical house fire is immensely underestimated by the average person. The National Fire Protection Association has conducted accurate tests involving the growth and temperatures of fires. Did you know that just 3 minutes and 3 seconds after the start of an average living room fire involving a couch, that the temperature 3 feet above the floor within the room is over 500 F? Just 38 seconds later, the temperature in the room is 1,400 F. " quote from http://www.askthebuilder.com/201_Fire_and_Burglar_Safes_-_A_Hot_Item_.shtmlSorry, Dude, it won't. Not according to those that forge steel girders. The national fire protection Association are hardly qualified for this So the National Fire Association has no idea what temperatures a house reaches when it is on fire? LOL. Did I mention that I had a house fire recently and that my fire safe EXPLODED and my gold MELTED. By your own information, steel loses half it's strength at 1100* F. Considering that my GOLD MELTED and my FIRE SAFE EXPLODED in my house fire, a fire involving several stories can easily reach the point where steel loses its strength according to you. we aren't talking about houses. We are talking about skyspcapers with steel girders of a size you wouldn't believe that are forged in steelworks at much higher temps than was burning that day I do indeed question the qualifications of the NFA to give anything other than general advice. For real advice to be given to a court for example you need experience in the theory and application of computational heat transfer/fluid flow analysis, metallygy,physics etc. It's heavy stuff Another example? Fireman know nothing about fires. They merely put them out! It's no use you firing questions at me. As i say, I have no opinion on who did it. I do, however, know people who don't read what experts say of both sides are fooling themselves and letting criminals get away with it I don't give a fuck who did it. I just want the truth whatever it is
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a selfish, greedy, dishonest, devious lecherous, sadistic ultra-right-wing Conservative back bencher.
Alan beresford B'Stard M P
Obnoxious as always!
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Re: OMG Good ol´Roger is a THRUTHER!!!!
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By: feathers 
Comments: 907, member since Sat 4th Jul, 2009
On August 17, 2010, 08:22:14 am
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not much fire there. How can you tell? Real strong fires don't give off so much smoke. Smoke is the sign of a struggling fire. You will look at the fire in that photo and think it's a huge blaze. No it isn't
Again, i refer you to the technicalities
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"Alan´s butt gives me a hardon".
-Roger1
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Re: OMG Good ol´Roger is a THRUTHER!!!!
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By: eachuiskie
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On August 17, 2010, 10:42:47 am
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Thank you alan for exposing the complete moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the twoothers.Did I mention you are a failure? And a retard?
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Re: OMG Good ol´Roger is a THRUTHER!!!!
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By: dude
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On August 17, 2010, 12:51:32 pm
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So the National Fire Association has no idea what temperatures a house reaches when it is on fire? LOL. Did I mention that I had a house fire recently and that my fire safe EXPLODED and my gold MELTED. By your own information, steel loses half it's strength at 1100* F. Considering that my GOLD MELTED and my FIRE SAFE EXPLODED in my house fire, a fire involving several stories can easily reach the point where steel loses its strength according to you.
we aren't talking about houses. We are talking about skyspcapers with steel girders of a size you wouldn't believe that are forged in steelworks at much higher temps than was burning that day I do indeed question the qualifications of the NFA to give anything other than general advice. For real advice to be given to a court for example you need experience in the theory and application of computational heat transfer/fluid flow analysis, metallygy,physics etc. It's heavy stuff Another example? Fireman know nothing about fires. They merely put them out! It's no use you firing questions at me. As i say, I have no opinion on who did it. I do, however, know people who don't read what experts say of both sides are fooling themselves and letting criminals get away with it I don't give a fuck who did it. I just want the truth whatever it is Firemen know nothing of fires, you say. Sure. At least simplefrench can eventually concede when he is wrong sometimes. You on the other hand? LOL. You ignore what the real experts say and then claim that you have no opinion on who did it. Sounds like you have your head in the sand. You really love the muzzies that much? (That's a rhetorical question, because we all know you do.) Anybody with common sense can see that the so-called experts on your side are tin-foil hat types and/or muzzie apologists.
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Re: OMG Good ol´Roger is a THRUTHER!!!!
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By: biz
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On August 17, 2010, 03:53:41 pm
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Did Al really say "thermite"?
Alan, STFU, STFD and GTFO.
Thank you.
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